Episode #2419
John Lisle
Books mentioned
Project Mind Control
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Chaos
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Blitzed
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When Prophecy Fails
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The Hammer of Witches
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Principia Mathematica
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Abduction
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Legacy of Ashes
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Case Closed
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Historian John Lisle discusses his books on CIA and OSS covert operations, including the MKUltra mind-control program, drug experiments, and assassination plots. The conversation also covers cognitive dissonance, cult psychology, and conspiracy theories, drawing on his research into intelligence history and scientific paradigms.
What they talked about
- MK-Ultra program and its lack of oversight
- CIA drug experiments on unwitting subjects
- Sidney Gottlieb's role and destruction of files
- Dr. Ewen Cameron's psychic driving experiments
- Cognitive dissonance and non-falsifiable beliefs
- Cult mind control vs. chemical mind control
- JFK assassination and intelligence connections
- Historical research process and archival discoveries
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