Episode #2399
Daryl Davis & Jeff Schoep
Books mentioned
American Nazi
Mentioned by Joe Rogan (host) · at 00:43:58 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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The Klan Whisperer
Mentioned by Joe Rogan (host) · at 02:16:25 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Daryl Davis, a blues musician and race relations expert, and Jeff Schoep, a former neo-Nazi leader, discuss Schoep's path into and out of white supremacy. They explore how personal connection and curiosity can change minds, as well as tactics for de-escalating confrontations and fostering critical thinking.
What they talked about
- Daryl Davis meeting a Klansman at a bar
- Jeff Schoep joining the neo-Nazi movement as a teenager
- Recruitment of military and law enforcement into hate groups
- Doxing and consequences for Schoep's family
- Daryl's approach of respectful conversation to change minds
- Scholarship on unsolved murders
- Schoep's process of de-radicalization and leaving the NSM
- Ways listeners can get involved in pro-human work
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