Episode #2367
Jesse Welles
Books mentioned
The Lord of the Rings
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Heart of Darkness
Mentioned by Jesse Welles · at 00:43:23 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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War Is a Racket
Mentioned by Jesse Welles · at 00:51:07 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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The Man in the High Castle
Mentioned by Jesse Welles · at 00:54:28 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Jesse Welles, a singer-songwriter, joins the show to discuss his protest music addressing healthcare and corporate power, then moves into darker historical topics like lobotomies and scalp bounties. The conversation also covers human violence, war profiteering, conspiracy theories, media manipulation, and the challenges of staying authentic in the music industry, including the rise of AI-generated music.
What they talked about
- United Healthcare song and public reaction
- Family background and artistic upbringing
- Mitch Hedberg and comedy influences
- History of lobotomies and mental health care
- Benzodiazepine addiction and recovery
- Psychedelic therapy and ayahuasca
- American Prime Evil and Native American history
- War, resources, and conflict motives
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