Episode #1640
Josh Rogin
Books mentioned
Chaos Under Heaven
Mentioned by Joe Rogan (host) · at 00:34:16 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Think Again
Mentioned by Josh Rogin · at 01:20:03 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Journalist and political analyst Josh Rogin discusses his experiences in Japan and the origins of COVID-19, including scientific cooperation, intelligence failures, and questions about possible conflicts of interest. He also examines Chinese Communist Party influence, forced labor, repression in Xinjiang, technology and surveillance, and the strategic implications of U.S.-China competition.
What they talked about
- Watch collecting and Instagram account
- Seiko Pogue watch history in space
- Living in Japan and learning Japanese
- Career path from Japan scholar to journalist
- Assault at a political event and live-tweeting it
- COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis investigation
- Chinese government influence and self-censorship
- Uyghur concentration camps and human rights abuses
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