Episode #1343
Penn Jillette
Books mentioned
The Better Angels of Our Nature
Mentioned by Joe Rogan (host) · at 00:00:32 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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How Music Works
Mentioned by Penn Jillette · at 00:57:54 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Moby-Dick
Mentioned by Penn Jillette · at 01:39:48 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Penn Jillette, the magician and author known for Penn & Teller, joins Joe to discuss reliable information, science, skepticism, conspiracy theories, and how tribalism and cultural appropriation shape society. They also explore stimulants, meditation, diet, mental and physical health, education, debt, online learning, and the future of college.
What they talked about
- Things are getting better (Pinker's Better Angels)
- Calorie and information glut analogy
- Trump's Apprentice boardroom experience
- Food preferences are habit, not innate
- Rejecting teams and tribalism
- Penn's lifelong sobriety and drug views
- Conspiracy theories and the moon landing
- Jeffrey Epstein case and suicide watch
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