Episode #1299
Annie Jacobsen
Books mentioned
Area 51
Mentioned by Joe Rogan (host) · at 00:00:00
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The Pentagon's Brain
Mentioned by Annie Jacobsen · at 00:06:09 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Phenomena
Mentioned by Annie Jacobsen · at 00:10:20 · ▶︎ Watch this moment on YouTube (approximate)
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Annie Jacobsen, an American investigative journalist and author, discusses her book Surprise, Kill, Vanish and the history of CIA paramilitary operations, assassination programs, propaganda, and secrecy. She and Joe Rogan also examine the recruitment of Nazi scientists, psychic warfare, drones, autonomous weapons, and the moral and civilian costs of contemporary warfare.
What they talked about
- Area 51's origin and Stalin's alien hoax plan
- Bob Lazar's claims and surgically modified humans
- CIA assassination programs and moral dilemmas
- Operation Paperclip and Nazi scientists with dueling scars
- Drone strikes vs. personal killing (proximity issue)
- Near-nuclear war due to moon misinterpretation by radar
- Psychics and remote viewing in military programs
- Quiet desperation and taking risks in life
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